Isn’t their slogan “shop like a billionaire?”. This tracks.
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I know Temu uses that slogan. Are they owned by the same people? Would make sense, if so.
and it finally makes sense, because I don’t think the average billionaire spends money on garbage as much as their average customer
Sex dolls resembling weapons is where I draw the line.
Ok the kid ones are bad too.
I read the entire article looking for this and couldn’t find anything and I’m so confused. Did they mean to say “Selling weapons and sex dolls resembling children”?
Or are we literally talking about Desert Eagle Fleshlights?
Edit: I just realized that “Selling weapons and sex dolls resembling children” is equally as confusing. The weapons resemble children? A Glock 9mm-year-old
“Now everyone can get fucked by the 2nd amendment!”
I don’t understand this. They’re dolls, they aren’t alive. Why people would care? This may be controversial, but I’d rather have a pedophile fucking a doll than raping a child
Fuck up you rotten dog. Pedos need to be castrated not enabled. You grotty runt you are needing to get your dick cut off so you cannot threaten anymore children by existing.
It’s a moral panic - pure and simple. The same reason some countries want to ban cartoon/animated pictures where the fictional character looks too young. I guess the underlying assumption there is that it’ll increase the number of people offending towards real children but I don’t think there’s any evidence to back that up.
If it was up to me, the criteria would be whether an actual person is being hurt directly or as a consequence of. That would include real violence, real pictures and possibly also GenAI stuff if it’s trained on real content.
You’re putting a disturbing amount of effort into advocating for childlike sex dolls, or cartoon CP.
Exactly. Same with faux bait stuff. I personally think it’s gross so I don’t consume it, but if everyone is a consenting adult and it stops people from consuming real CSAM I can’t really support banning it.
But the problem many people have with stuff like that is they assume the people consuming it will go on to do it to real people, which is the same argument they tried to use against violent video games.
A less obvious problem with AIGen CSAM is that the sheer volume of it could make it nearly impossible to track down actual cases of abused children. I am not particularly morally concerned with someone generating it — I don’t think it directly harms any child and I’m not entirely convinced it harms the consumer. And if those were the only considerations, I’d say have at it (subject to further research because I don’t think it is conclusive that it is harmless to the consumer, either).
But if it means law enforcement agencies have to give up prosecuting pedo rings of actual abusers because they can’t tell which images among the thousands are real, well that is real harm to real victims and that is enough to ban it.
Generated CSAM is banned. For the same reason, something like this should follow.
It wouldn’t compel me to hurt people, but I definitely get more into kinks the more time I spend with them (to a point). Violence in media has never had a noticeable effect on me though.
Society would probably actually benefit from a non political purely objective science-based commission to review published data, make recommendations for new studies, and come up with an evidence-based recommendation to governments about whether virtual CSAM (no actual children harmed or in AI training data) and lifelike child sex dolls result in statistically more child predation.
I haven’t deep dived on this so maybe it’s already well known among sociologists/psych pathologists. But the key is a trusted science-based policy. We did it for violent video games and found no correlation. Not at all obvious to me if that also holds for pederasty.
Yeah I know, the trusted scientific commission is not going to happen
whether virtual CSAM (no actual children harmed or in AI training data) and lifelike child sex dolls result in statistically more child predation.
It could but I doubt that it would. Pedophiles don’t rape children - rapists do. Being both is rare. Having been born with attraction to children doesn’t mean they automatically also lack a moral compas and self-control. Most of them know it’s wrong and never offend. The vast majority of people in prison for child sexual abuse aren’t pedophiles but just good old rapists. Kids simply make an easy target.
aren’t paedophiles? yes your honour, i fucked that kid but i didn’t like it
I believe the last time something like this came up, the argument was raised that it normalizes the behavior and leads to escalation, i.e. “they’re just illustrations” “it’s just a doll” to “I’m just taking photos” or “it’s just touching”, this time against actual victims
They said same sex marriage would lead to bestiality
Slippery slope fallacy. We know that consumption of real CSAM might increase frustration and lead to pursuit of real crimes. However, we don’t have the same level of evidence for illustrations or sex dolls. It’s a massive blind side in the scientific literature. It’s very hard to study.
Despite this, the number one risk factor still remains unsupervised access to minors. Regardless of whether the abuser consumes abuse media or not.
Does the research support this argument though? (Spoiler: it doesn’t)
I am calling bullshit on you bot-posting child rapists. We don’t have to prove anything to a bot. You are owed nothing but ire.
go rotate angry about it forever.
Yeah screaming and flipping the table like a toddler totally makes you look like a rational person /s
Hey if nothing else it gives you a decent idea of who to watch
So I can see you’ve done zero research into psychosis and it’s trajectory.
You have to draw the line somewhere, and personally I’m happy with childlike sex dolls being on the other side of that line same with AI generated CSAM, there doesn’t need to be a victim for it to be disgusting.
there doesn’t need to be a victim for it to be disgusting.
That’s the main justification for banning homosexuality as well.
Are you seriously comparing pedophilia with homosexuality?
You seriously need to take a good look at your life dude.
Disgusting for sure but thats a really bad argument to make something illegal. It’s the same rhetoric used to ban queer sexualities.
The generative ai is often based on real stuff and regularly ends up being deepfakes of real people who are affected, thats not victimless.
Some disgusting things are quite legal. And have real victims.
I’m not sure why you would focus on illegalizing something disgusting that’s victimless.
“there are worse things that are legal” is a pretty terrible argument.
I don’t think that banning this kind of product will solve the fact that there are people with a disorder. So what’s the point? Moralism?
It will solve it being normalized. And F-off to the pedophile apologist bots rising in these threads saying it doesn’t so far that it’s been brought up.
It’ll never be normalized because it’s fucking weird, whether that’s legal or not. And you can stop calling anyone with a different opinion a bot, it makes you sound like one.
It’ll never be normalized
Woody Allen, Sleeper, 1973, dinner party scene
Note: Woody Allen is Jewish. The film was released 25 years after the Holocaust.
I don’t think they’re bots, and that concerns me.
Nope there is a huge amount of bots because lemmy had an engagement problem so people had the bright idea to fake it till it makes it. But then they realized faking it IS making it.
If banning sex dolls that look like children is moralism, I’m OK with that.
“that look like children” is not enforceable. Are you requiring a minimum height? A minimum number of ageing features? A certain breast size? What about cartoon/anime stylized products?
But the core issue is that this literally won’t solve anything and it’s, therefore, a waste of time and public money.
Many people would fuck Ariana Grande and she looks younger then she should.
If you read the title of the article, it would seem this is absolutely enforceable.
Also, of course Lemmy is arguing in favour of child sex dolls, I’d expect nothing less.
Ofc you frame it that way. Most people on here are just against banning things where there’s A, no victims and B, no real way to determine age. You’d have to ban drawings the same way if the characters appear childlike. How is this enforceable. By the opinion of whoever is looking over something? The article specifically mentions weight and size but I don’t think thats sufficient in itself.
Doesn’t France already ban depictions of characters that look like minors in sexual situations and also depiction of rape and sexual violence.
In the US obscene drawings of underage characters in sexual situations is illegal under the Protect act “Section 1466A of Title 18, United States Code, makes it illegal for any person to knowingly produce, distribute, receive, or possess with intent to transfer or distribute visual representations, such as drawings, cartoons, or paintings that appear to depict minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct”
Some states explicitly prohibit cartoon pornography
Out of curiosity, does that include cherubs or is religious iconography exempt?
With something like this, a judgement call would ultimately need to be made, yes. That’s how a lot of law enforcement works.
lol they’re not arguing against because it’s a pointless measure
you’re confusing picking your fights with being supportive
If children sex dolls are readily available it risks normalizing the concept of sex with children. Both for potential pedophiles as well as children who browse shein, might get the impression that adults having sex with children is a thing.
It absolutely has a point, the point being manufacturing and selling sex toys that look like children is absolutely disgusting.
And picking your battles doesn’t typically mean arguing against the law being passed on the Internet.
is absolutely disgusting
Why not ban scat fetish then as well?
Scat fetish typically involves grown adults.
ah, the point is that it’s disgusting, thanks for confirming the emptiness of the argument
next time I’m before an unflushed toilet I’ll call the authorities
Ngl any reason to block shein is good.
Probably the more based take I’ve read here.
The one reason this weirds me out (without having seen these dolls tbf) is that it was decided something sex-related is too childlike and that somehow makes it illegal apparently? Like, what legal basis is there for it? I have never heard about any law prohibiting ‘too childlike’ appearance, let alone seen it applied.
I mean, have these people seen what’s going on in some (not to say many) anime? There are characters being explicitly sexualized, while being canonically underage. How is one thing okay and the other isn’t?
Neither are, and animated materiel depicting children in a sexual way is illegal in many places.
It’s actually pretty consistent with the laws in many countries, animated child porn and child sex dolls are vile, and anyone arguing against that should be put on a list.
Surprisingly many people in support of childlike sex dolls here.
in support of childlike sex dollsin opposition to making feel-good legislation without evidence-based policiesIf I had kids, I wouldn’t leave half the people in this thread alone with them.
Demanding someone prove this is bad is just… Something else.
I hope you just wouldn’t leave your kids around strangers at all. They could do a lot of damaging things, like talk about how god “exists.”
I think if they want to ban this they should ban images of killing, right? I think Call of Duty does more damage.
(To be clear: I don’t want one of these dolls)
It’s all kinda weird to me but once someone goes the route of sex dolls I’m not sure why what it looks like matters. It’s all just rubber holes to put your dick in. What if it looks like a horse? Or has a dildo shaped like a dog penis? Bestiality is just as illegal and non-consensual.
I just don’t know where or why I should draw a line. I don’t support it. I don’t defend it. I just slowly back out of the room shaking my head.
I guess I will say this, though — I’ve engaged in a lot of kink and done a lot of things in play I would never do in real life. I’ve done rape play, strangulation, and cutting among other things… none of those are things I have a secret desire to do for real. But I do enjoy them in the context of play. I enjoy novel forms of intimacy with a consenting partner.
If I can do those things without harboring a secret desire to rape and murder, it stands to reason people could fuck a rubber hole that looks like a child for reasons other wanting to do it for real.
