No. Here’s the funny thing: having human rights depends on nothing! That is what makes them ‘universal’ and ‘inalienable’.

Yes, they do. What alternate world do you live in? The UN declaration of human rights is nothing more than a listing of guiding principles to establish liberal based international order. The right to seek asylum literally has conditional in the original document. Like what are we even talking about?

Again not how human rights work. I’m pretty sure that even the state has better reasoning for the deports than you, as this would be such a blatant violation of human rights, that it would be very awkward for Germany.

It’s not a violation. You can repeat the same thing like a broken record, but it doesn’t mean anything if it’s not true. Germany doesn’t have to host them if they are a danger to German society or if they lied about their claim to asylum. It’ll only be a violation of human rights IF their claim to asylum was genuine AND they aren’t causing real harm to the host society. In this case, they violated both and therefore their cases got rejected. They’re not entitled to be in Germany or any country, again, this is literally baked in into article 14 of the human rights declaration.

You made that allegation often in this thread. But you do realize that defending the individual and their deed is very different from defending their rights?

That’s not allegation. That’s literally what you’re doing. You don’t seem to understand that you DON’T have a moral argument here. Germany is acting in accordance with human rights, the people in question got due process, deserve to get deported, and they got due process. What is there to complain about? It’s not like this is the first round of deportations to Afghanistan under the Taliban that Germany has had, and there has been no credible reports or evidence that any of the deportees have been abused or tortured for being deported. If that’s the case, why are you so hellbent here to defend these criminals? Your central argument simply doesn’t hold, and therefore, it’s not unreasonable to assume that you’re just defending the criminals because you think they’re entitled to be in Germany no matter what.

I’m pretty sure countries like Germany ask for guarantees like occasional checks on the well being of the deportees from the Taliban as a part of the deal. Since the Taliban desperately wants recognition, they’ll follow through with the terms.

The right to asylum does not depend on whether you’re a nice or very shitty person.

But it does depend on whether or not you’re a genuine threat to society, which these individuals are.

So in the eyes of the law they’re redeemed and attoned?

They’re not German citizens or residents. Germany has no obligation to keep them in the country. They lost their legal status and chance at attaining asylum when they committing the crimes, and they’re no longer allowed in the country once they serve their sentences.

I’d say yes, very much, it’s an easy case for Afghanistan.

I’m not sure why you’re willing to go so far to defend literal rapists being deported, but there’s no credible evidence that the Taliban has gone after any of the deportees from the previous deportation rounds that Germany made. These are muslim Afghani men who were rejected from the west, I think the Taliban will embrace them if anything.

What is it now? Are they deported because they’re illegal or because the are “convicted of heinous crimes (drug trafficking and rape)”, as you wrote before?

It’s not complicated:

Foreign national enters the country illegally to seek asylum (which is fine) -> commits a serious crime -> their asylum case is no longer valid -> they no longer have legal status to remain the country -> deported

So they get a free pass now, because they’re of another nationality?

They don’t. They almost carry out their sentence in Germany first and the get deported right after. This is not a get out jail free card. This is a you’re leaving the country after you finish your sentence in jail card.

If they can deport criminals to war zones or places where said criminals may face execution or torture, they can do that with you too

But Afghanistan isn’t a war zone anymore and there’s no evidence that these individuals are going to be tortured. If there was credible evidence that this deportations would lead to state sanctioned torture, then you would be right, and these deportations should be halted. However, Germany has made similar deportations in the previous years and there hasn’t been any reported incidents of torture of any of the deportees.

They’re not being deported as a punishment, they’re being deported because they’re in Germany illegal and are no longer qualified to have an asylum case, so they’re being sent back to their country.

You sound dumb as hell. These 20 are literally Afghan nationals who entered Germany illegally, committed heinous crimes, got convicted in courts, and they’re being sent back to their country because they’ll never get approved for asylum. How can anyone feel any sort of sympathy to literal rapists and drug traffickers?

The 20 being deported are convicted rapists and drug traffickers who were in Germany illegally. These are not the people you want to defend.

I find it funny that millions of people had no problem with an evil foreign government like the CCP, that’s well known for collecting data for military purposes and spending mind boggling amounts on propaganda campaigns, controlling the app, but now draw the line at some Silicon Valley billionaire doing essentially the same thing.

I never liked the short content format so I never had an interest downloading TikTok, but I knew that I would never, ever download it when I learned that this Chinese app is actually banned in China. They a have a separate clone of this app that’s exclusive to China that uses a different algorithm that promotes positive and educational content. The fact that billions of people use this shitty weaponized piece of Chinese spyware is depressing, especially when the Fediverse exists.