I am tired boss…
God dammit. All the whining they do about needing donations to keep developing and this is what they come up with.
Sounds like this is in the same space as OpenWebUI? It would be good to have some more choice there.
It sounds like a step further than open-webui; it’s an enterprise grade client-server model for access to agents, workflows, and centralized knowledge repositories for RAG.
In addition to local chatbot for executive/admin use, I can see this being the backend for developers running Cursor or some other AI enhanced IDE, with local knowledge stores holding proprietary documents and running against local large models.
I am also curious about time share and prioritization of resources; I assume it would queue simultaneous requests. Presumably this would let you more effectively pool local compute, rather than providing A100 GPUs to each developer that may sit unused when they’re not working.
Edit: Somewhat impressively, this whole stack does not even include a local inference provider; so it does everything except local models right now, and requests are forwarded to cloud inference providers (Anthropic, OpenAI, etc). But it does have the backend started for rate limiting and queuing, and true “fully offline/local” is on the roadmap, just not there yet.
After reading through the GitHub docs, the most impressive thing is that they open sourced their Thunderbolt coding agent for Claude Code. There are quite a few skills available for implementation planning, dependency/build environment setup, coding, linting/cleanup, QA, and managing agent pull requests. Pretty good examples if you are looking at building Claude Code skills.
It looks like it, it doesn’t seem to be doing any self-referencing/agentic things out of the box so the end user would need to build a bit to cover their specific use cases.
They seem to be aiming more at the startup/small company demographic than at self-hosters. This is just based on a skim of the repo and their product page, I haven’t looked at it too hard yet.
Thunderbird team unveils… 🙂 thunderbolt… 😃self-hostable… 🤯AI😒client 😓
Nobody asked for this
Indeed… As far as I know at least the Thunderbird donations are not going towards this, its Mozilla funded. I just cannot see that anyone asked or needed this, such a waste of time that should have gonw towards Thunderbird.
If anybody needs to know: this is why you should not not donate to the Mozilla Foundation. No money goes towards Firefox or Thunderbird through it!
The products I care about:
- Firefox is funded by Google
- Thunderbird is funded by donations
The groups I don’t:
- “Thunderbolt is funded through a dedicated investment from Mozilla”,
- …and Mozilla is funded by separate donations too.
Honestly it’s been what… 8? Years since chrome could play HDR…
Firefox
Just make it work already… it kinda does on Linux if you enable experimental features just…do it
You opened my eyes
spoiler
Money is fungible. Donating frees up money that would have gone elsewhere to go to this.
I can get behind this concept for those that want email summaries, I suppose. But absolutely not from a donation run nonprofit who was told time and again that we do not want ai shoved in every orifice.
Edit. Autocorrect
I have read summaries of emails and meetings that had the action items all sorts of wrong, sometimes completely inverted.
It seems to me that if an email or meeting is at all important, the stakes are too high to trust the summary, and if it is not important, neither is its summary.
Add on to that the fact that locally running LLMs are even more scatterbrained, I don’t see how this fills even the limited need you’re describing in any useful way.
So, they spent their limited available manpower on an unrequested feature, and to add insult to injury, the feature is unlikely to have effective practical uses. It might be capable of more limited scope text prediction like code auto-complete, but the field is already flooded with those. I think the Thunderbird users have far more use from improvements to Thunderbird than they do for other unrelated products.
Well guys… It’s endorsed by the CEO.
so there’s that
Omg take my money!! 💸💸💸💸
Seriously loosing whatever faith i had left in Mozilla… I want to love them so badly, but this just hurts.
Oh no, they wrote a free program that you don’t want to use.
I see your account is just here to troll/harass people who don’t love AI too, but we’re witnessing Mozilla burning goodwill and capital for no apparent reason.
Please don’t tell people to stick their heads in the sand.
Advocacy against Mozilla’s waste has already gotten them nervous and defensive, and that advocacy can and should continue.
Really, you’re going to follow me around calling me a troll? That’s sadder than being a troll.
Nah, what’s sadder is getting ratioed like this for being an AI shill.
You care about Karma points? On the Fediverse, even?
I care about the sentiment, not the points.
This logo reminds me of Nullsoft Winamp
It really eats… the llamas ass
Is this a potential alternative to Open Web UI?
I’m note sure anybody asked for this.
That said, I’ll give it a shot.
idiots…
I want to be able to login to my m365 work account without Owl (but I do love you for filling the gap Owl). Why weren’t these resources spent on making that a reality? Thats twenty times more useful for Thunderbird and its users.
Supposedly, this is a new and different team that will be taking a grant from the Mozilla Foundation. (I have no idea where these new resources came from, but in the best case scenario, they will appear out of thin air and not slow down work on Thunderbird…)
If it is “from the Makers of Thunderbird”, then I think it stands to reason that at least someone on the Thunderbird project spent time on this that they could have spent on that.
These FOSS projects barely have enough resources to complete their primary charter most of the time, so it really grates to see them squander their most limited assets.
And this is yet another reason why I use Betterbird.
Because of a separate app that doesn’t affect Thunderbird in day to day use? What?
Thanks, I had no idea that exists. I’ll give it a try.
