There is no such thing as a dysfunctional EU with a working economy
The EU ignored the digital dependency on the US for years. That seems dysfunctional to me.
needs the EU functionally destroyed, consequences be dammed because it absolutely insists on rebuilding its empire
That was different in 2001, when Putin gave a speech to the German parliament.
oppressing as well as exploiting half of Europe
What’s your reason for believing this?
If that is what an institution controlled by the US does, you have a curious definition of “controlled”.
The EU is not an American colony. The US control with whatever they have. That’s chaotic. The US have influence on every major party, at least in Germany. I have read stories about each one. Of course they start taking over the parties that Russia supports once they become relevant.
You seem to have a funny definition of “dysfunctional” or confuse the term with “politically shortsighted”.
Europe did have a relationship with the US that was beneficial to both sides, that was the basis of it and the reason it worked for so long. This has ended, one could have seen it coming much earlier and indeed France has seen it coming for a long time and is therefore also one of the best prepared member states but even France has been complacent when it comes to modern IT infrastructure. That has little to do with being dysfunctional.
I am wondering if you are really that naive and truly believe that Putin ever intended to see the EU member states as equal partners. His rhetoric have changed indeed his goals not really, at best his means have become increasingly bloody and ruthless. If you can’t see that Russia wants to rebuild its colonial empire in Europe I really can’t help you. And if you can’t see that colonial empires are based on oppression and exploitation I can’t help you either. Maybe read how the old East Block worked economically, communist economy aside it was just the same old story.
You really seem to believe the US to be all powerful apparently. This has little to do with reality and lies at odds with the actual EU legislation which is often at odds with what the US would like. Does the US have influence? Of course it has but it is not nearly as total as you seem to believe and it is rooted in Europe’s dependence. I listed a boat load of initiatives that are being undertaken right now to reduce those dependencies for that very reason. Most of them are something the US opposes to varying degrees (from mildly to hysterically). If your world view held any water, hardly any of those would exist.
European unification happened of course in the context of “PAX America” but it was formed by the interests of many players. The fading away of the Western European Union was certainly a consequence of US opposition for example. That does not change the fact that a unified Europe within the EU is the only realistic chance for European autonomy and shared sovereignty without being vassals of either the US or Russia, which is as I said, the key reason why the US and the Russian regime are firing with all their propaganda might against the EU nowadays and you appear to have completely fallen for it.
was beneficial to both side … could have seen it coming
China producing everything is also beneficial to both sides but we know what it means. Airbus was created to prevent dependency. IT technology is more important. Russia has its own search engine, we don’t have one. That’s not short-sightedness, that is closing eyes.
if you are really that naive and truly believe that Putin ever intended to see the EU member states as equal partners.
I guess I am. How could Putin be able to succeed in domination? I can’t imagine that he is that deluded. He has to mean equal terms when he says it.
And if you can’t see that colonial empires are based on oppression and exploitation I can’t help you either.
To me it looks like we are staying in and becoming even more part of the US empire. Can you see that? We have our projects, but e.g. all the space stuff, we can’t compete on launch costs and there is no improvement in sight.
Maybe read how the old East Block worked economically, communist economy aside it was just the same old story.
It’s fundamentally different. The West was successful because we exploited Africa and Asia. The much smaller East couldn’t compensate. It’s like Cuba in big with the difference that it is not Cuba’s decision to be isolated. China did the joined market and is thriving. The USSR wanted to correct and got dismantled in the process, thanks to Yeltsin.
The Capitalists have managed to frame Communism as Russian imperialism while it was done by a Georgian and later continued by a Ukrainian. There are ethnic elements but it was also Russia who left the USSR. Are Russians to blame when a Georgian resettles them?
Of course it has but it is not nearly as total as you seem to believe and it is rooted in Europe’s dependence.
I believe that. That’s enough.
If your world view held any water, hardly any of those would exist.
The US don’t need total control. They just need enough that Europe stays dependent and they can e.g. bomb Iran without the EU treating it like that other war of aggression which would call for sanctioning the US.
The fading away of the Western European Union was certainly a consequence of US opposition
What do you mean?
That does not change the fact that a unified Europe within the EU is the only realistic chance for European autonomy
To an extend. I don’t think we have to become a unified European state. Once we do, Brussels will be conquered like Washington.
Also don’t forget that creating an economic zone with the Russian Federation could be an option and could turn the EU into a major power. Combine it with a capital tax and it could become something where we don’t fear for our autonomy but can be a guardian of freedom.
The difficult part would be to find a form that doesn’t threaten the US.
without being vassals of either the US or Russia, which is as I said, the key reason why the US and the Russian regime are firing with all their propaganda might against the EU nowadays and you appear to have completely fallen for it.
was beneficial to both side
I think the US and Russia shouldn’t be seen as the same. The EU will remain a vassal of the US because we are at war with Russia and can’t play them against each other, or even pull Russia into our fold. Russia has more land but we are bigger.
We say that the US is not our friend anymore but we continue to install Palantir and we condemn Iran’s reaction but not the US attack. We say one thing but do the other.
The EU ignored the digital dependency on the US for years. That seems dysfunctional to me.
That was different in 2001, when Putin gave a speech to the German parliament.
What’s your reason for believing this?
The EU is not an American colony. The US control with whatever they have. That’s chaotic. The US have influence on every major party, at least in Germany. I have read stories about each one. Of course they start taking over the parties that Russia supports once they become relevant.
The EU started as a counter-measure to French-German unity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Élysée_Treaty controversy
No EU is better than a dysfunctional EU but a dysfunctional EU is better than a functional one for the US.
You seem to have a funny definition of “dysfunctional” or confuse the term with “politically shortsighted”. Europe did have a relationship with the US that was beneficial to both sides, that was the basis of it and the reason it worked for so long. This has ended, one could have seen it coming much earlier and indeed France has seen it coming for a long time and is therefore also one of the best prepared member states but even France has been complacent when it comes to modern IT infrastructure. That has little to do with being dysfunctional.
I am wondering if you are really that naive and truly believe that Putin ever intended to see the EU member states as equal partners. His rhetoric have changed indeed his goals not really, at best his means have become increasingly bloody and ruthless. If you can’t see that Russia wants to rebuild its colonial empire in Europe I really can’t help you. And if you can’t see that colonial empires are based on oppression and exploitation I can’t help you either. Maybe read how the old East Block worked economically, communist economy aside it was just the same old story.
You really seem to believe the US to be all powerful apparently. This has little to do with reality and lies at odds with the actual EU legislation which is often at odds with what the US would like. Does the US have influence? Of course it has but it is not nearly as total as you seem to believe and it is rooted in Europe’s dependence. I listed a boat load of initiatives that are being undertaken right now to reduce those dependencies for that very reason. Most of them are something the US opposes to varying degrees (from mildly to hysterically). If your world view held any water, hardly any of those would exist.
European unification happened of course in the context of “PAX America” but it was formed by the interests of many players. The fading away of the Western European Union was certainly a consequence of US opposition for example. That does not change the fact that a unified Europe within the EU is the only realistic chance for European autonomy and shared sovereignty without being vassals of either the US or Russia, which is as I said, the key reason why the US and the Russian regime are firing with all their propaganda might against the EU nowadays and you appear to have completely fallen for it.
China producing everything is also beneficial to both sides but we know what it means. Airbus was created to prevent dependency. IT technology is more important. Russia has its own search engine, we don’t have one. That’s not short-sightedness, that is closing eyes.
I guess I am. How could Putin be able to succeed in domination? I can’t imagine that he is that deluded. He has to mean equal terms when he says it.
To me it looks like we are staying in and becoming even more part of the US empire. Can you see that? We have our projects, but e.g. all the space stuff, we can’t compete on launch costs and there is no improvement in sight.
It’s fundamentally different. The West was successful because we exploited Africa and Asia. The much smaller East couldn’t compensate. It’s like Cuba in big with the difference that it is not Cuba’s decision to be isolated. China did the joined market and is thriving. The USSR wanted to correct and got dismantled in the process, thanks to Yeltsin.
The Capitalists have managed to frame Communism as Russian imperialism while it was done by a Georgian and later continued by a Ukrainian. There are ethnic elements but it was also Russia who left the USSR. Are Russians to blame when a Georgian resettles them?
I believe that. That’s enough.
The US don’t need total control. They just need enough that Europe stays dependent and they can e.g. bomb Iran without the EU treating it like that other war of aggression which would call for sanctioning the US.
What do you mean?
To an extend. I don’t think we have to become a unified European state. Once we do, Brussels will be conquered like Washington.
Also don’t forget that creating an economic zone with the Russian Federation could be an option and could turn the EU into a major power. Combine it with a capital tax and it could become something where we don’t fear for our autonomy but can be a guardian of freedom.
The difficult part would be to find a form that doesn’t threaten the US.
I think the US and Russia shouldn’t be seen as the same. The EU will remain a vassal of the US because we are at war with Russia and can’t play them against each other, or even pull Russia into our fold. Russia has more land but we are bigger.
We say that the US is not our friend anymore but we continue to install Palantir and we condemn Iran’s reaction but not the US attack. We say one thing but do the other.