Stop, I can only get so erect
Does anyone know when such devices are expected to hit the market? Within 2 years would be nice
Ultra based Motorola
Anyone know a release date, I was looking at getting a Pixel for it soon.
Part of their next gen release, so probably 1 year after their most recent refresh cycle
I’m kinda excited for this phone. But I’m unemployed so I probably won’t get it. 😂
Please make this the industry expected.
It’s nice to get confirmation, though I really can’t believe it had to be said. Sign of the times, I guess.
If they release one with a headphone jack I’m 100% sold.
Yo other companies can you just pretend it is Apple who is doing it so that you will copy this and announce it next day?
Holy Hell!
This definitely will be on my shopping list. At the top. I hope they bring to all devices and not only higher end.
This news aligns quite well with the Levovo T series ThinkPad repairability.
Other major tech companies sail towards more and more closed environments.
Will banking apps and NFC pay finally work?
Doesn’t that depend on google play services? If so, “probably not, but then again it works currently if you install play services on a separate user profile (or on your main, defeating the purpose of grapheneOS to begin with but more power to you).”
Tell google/banks to stop requiring the spyware, they won’t but at least it’s better then telling the secure OS to install just a little spyware just so you don’t need to carry a wallet.
I would still need to be able to use my banking app to check my balance. That’s more than just needing “to carry a wallet.” That’s the difference of more than $450 in mistakes as that’s what happened when i didn’t get a live-update to my account prior to the advent of smartphone banking apps. Fuck 5/3. -a dumpster-fire of a banking organization if i’ve ever seen one.
I would still need to be able to use my banking app to check my balance.
cant you use a web browser for that ltask ? All my banks let me log in via a web browser fir that at least.
graphene still sandboxes gplay, even if you use the two profiles for work and home
I think he was saying that installing it on your main user account would be the way that’s pointless.
and i’m saying it’s still sandboxed on the main account leaving a second profile still available for work
I guess I’m confused on how t being sandboxed would stop it from doing it’s tracking thing
It gives you more control over when and what Google can do on the device. If you run Google software with network access you have to assume they can track you, but having it sandboxed minimizes what it can do while running and gives you more control over what it does (e.g. you can deny it network access entirely whenever you want).
it has MUCH less access to your phone on GrapheneOS than stock android and can even be limited to only contexts where its required.
plus Graphene still blocks a lot of the other attack vectors that corporations use to track you like Dynamic Code Loading and Memory Tagging. to say installing google play services to your main profile defeats the purpose of GrapheneOS is to ignore like 80% of what GrapheneOS does and how it installs google play services
It’ll still try, it just wouldn’t have root access. It would just depend on what you allow it access to.
I just got a pixel 10 the moment I heard that Google wants to lock down android and I didn’t want to waste any time. I paid off my Samsung s23 and before even loading my Sim I installed grapheneOS.
I had a motorola G5 before my Samsung but it broke.
At least my Samsung is still intact. I can’t wait to format it and load a prepaid if I need a travel phone.
Does this count for al Motorola phones?
You definitely shouldn’t buy a Motorola now with the hope that Graphene will get added to it in the future. This could apply exclusively to pre-flashed devices, for all we know.
no. most or all of their current offerings are very locked down
Good, good. Next, tell me there will be a 3.5mm headphone jack, swappable SD card, and user-replaceable battery and we’ll be golden.
There will be a 3.5mm headphone jack, swappable SD card, and users replaceable battery.
Is your username a Black Books reference?
Yes
Help, I have turned to gold and cannot move or turn back.
You bastard!
their phones do tend to have that already…
e: at least the lower end ones I’ve had
So interesting to me that it’s the lower end phones that have the features I want
It’s mostly to achieve higher IP ratings, and people with expensive phones also tend to pay for things like cloud storage upgrades and expensive bluetooth earbuds.
I ain’t buying shit if it ain’t got a rotary dial!
Just take my money!
Oh, they will.
Hopefully this initiative sticks, sounds like my next phone (eventually) might just be Motorola/Graphene.
As long as they have basic shit like NFC or wireless charging. One of the main reasons I stopped buying them. 2nd was the tablet sized screens.
Motorola was kind of sluggish/selective about those, but they seem to pretty consistently have those features now. Always worth double checking.
Because its grapheneos you will likely have NFC, but whether you have tap-for-payment options will be a crapshoot, especially in North America, unless having an official vendor changes things with grapheneos’s play store integrity issue (which is doubtful).
Best shot is that EU will make it possible, as they distance themselves from US tech right now.
Its an issue that, currently, banks have to resolve by either developing (see certain EU banks that have done so) or supporting an NFC card management app that doesn’t require the highest level of the google play security thing to function.
I doubt EU legislation can fix this, and I doubt Canadian banks will care enough to do anything to support anything beyond apple pay and google pay.
I never realized you could have NFC and not tap-for-payment support. Is that not how tap-for-payment works?
The apps that enable tap-for-payment ask your bank for permission and some security details to activate using cards for NFC.
In North America, banks won’t give that permission/security info to any android app but google pay, and only if the play store verification thing says the OS is fully secure - and google pretends grapheneos doesn’t hit those security metrics.
So yes, NFC is how tap-for-payment works, but unless NA banks implement it themselves, or trust a 3rd party that isn’t google to implement it, grapheneos phones are blocked from using the tap-for-payment functionality.
That’s… Fucking stupid. But it’s to be expected from greedy, overly powerful tech corporations I suppose.
NFC is just the technology that tap for payment uses, but there are other use cases for it.
Tap to pay is whatever but I do use NFC for some home automatons.
What you use for home automation if you’re into open source and security?
I use the term home automation loosely. Mostly I use it for initiating Tasker scripts at home with a single tap.
Do you have tasker on grapheneOS?
I can’t imagine grapheneos shipping on a phone without NFC.
…I wish I had the money to play with homeassistant for random things.
I quite like my Razr. I’m sure if they’re aiming to be a true alternative to the mainstream OSs, they’ll be including many of the mainstream features
I’m skeptical they will bother with the Razr, seems like a lot of work to intelligently use that external screen and Graphene probably doesn’t have the interest to do that. Would be happy to be proven wrong.
I think they supported the pixel fold which has the same sort of second flippy screen thing. I think the multiple screen stuff is just in the aosp base.
I’m old school, I remember when NFC was used for stuff like domotics
Historically, the problem with Motorola hasn’t been their os, it’s been their hardware, it’s just usually not very good when compared to the competition. And often the price is higher for what you’re getting.
Big disagree here. Still offer a jack, SD card, etc. Worth way more to me than a high end processor that I don’t use any more than a mid range one.
I grant that Motorola may neglect to go top of the line (e.g. there’s no ‘flagship grade’ non-folding phone on offer right now), but price wise, at least in the US, it seems to be in line with other options and the cheaper options are generally motorola.
Is this US or elsewhere? What are the better value competition in the mid-lower range.
One of the largest complaints of Pixels I’ve seen is that they’re too expensive. These will cost twice as much.
I don’t think I have ever heard that for the a series. That if fact, I have always heard that it is just about the best price-value on the market, the downside being that it is google and no SD card slot (which is common now). They use the flagship chip in it still, right?
What? When I was buying my last phone prev gen Pixel cost me 1/3 of what I would have to pay for a Fairphone. It’s the exact opposite, less popular phones with long support are way too expensive compared to Pixel.
I agree, and yet that is the complaint I hear over and over. I don’t understand it, but it is.
