So, per the article, mr CEO didn’t want to pay the devopers their well earned extra from hitting a sales goal, so the wooden doll asked chatGePeTo how to avoid that. Even Gepeto said that it was going to “be difficult”, but Kim Becile insisted on a plan.
The first step was posting a message on Subanutica’s website to get fans on his side. According to court documents, Kim said the goal of the message was to “secure public support from fans and legal validation of our legitimacy.” He then suggested that ChatGPT write it for him. It achieved the opposite of his intended goal. Fans found the message bizarre and worried about the future of the game. Those fears were compounded when Kim fired the game’s original creators and entered into a legal battle with them.
I’d like to meet a CEO of a similar megacorp that isn’t both a complete fucking idiot AND an absolute psychopath. Surely there has to be one?
The CEO having the direct ability to post to the company website is wild on its own. Everywhere I have ever worked nothing got on the company website unless it went through the marketing people at a minimum. If it was from someone like the CEO it probably went through the legal team as well first.
C-level jobs tend to attract a particular type of personality…
First thing I remember hearing was Krafton announcing that Subnautica would be a live service multiplayer game, and then Unknown Worlds coming right in behind saying No the hellfuck it’s not! It’s going to be a cooperative multiplayer game that players host locally, and we’ll be doing an early access campaign with continuing updates after the 1.0 release just like we did with Subnautica 1.
It has spiraled from there.
For the record this was not a dev company CEO. He’s the publisher company CEO, you know, the usual bastards.
Who knew?
Further proof of how many CEOs are psychopaths.
When asked about it AI said “No comment.”
Pretty sure AI would’ve said that with a much longer comment, likely 500 words at least
“That is a great response! Would you like me to look at other great responses that have been posted on Lemmy?”
Why is the thumbnail about subnautica ?
RTFA
Because the article is about Subnautica, and the legal battle between private equity everything ruiner firm Krafton and Unknown Worlds Entertainment, the game dev studio best known for the Subnautica series.
What did ChatGPT tell him to do, exactly?
What actually happened, apparently. Fire them to avoid payout.
I finally got to read this article and the situation is even better/dumber with more context. I didn’t realize the layering at first.
This CEO used AI to avoid paying human lawyers to help him figure out how to avoid paying human game developers.
This asshole needs to get some kind of “Yo Dawg I heard you like AI” anti-award.
Jail would be nice. Someone shouldn’t be able to drag that many people through that much pain without repercussions beyond having to do the thing they were avoiding to begin with. Banning his stupid ass from running any more companies would be a decent outcome.
Haven’t the last few years made it clear that we live in a word without consequences ?
At least for those who most deserve them.
You can have punitive damages too.
hes one of those that fully believe the bs that is AI being hyped.
OP if you’re gonna post a paywalled article, can you at least copy the full text of it into the thread? Most of us cannot read more than two paragraphs of this piece, ensuring that most participants here are talking around the headline only.
Try this:
Here’s a video if you wanna passively listen to it while working out to get all the anger at corporations out: https://youtu.be/T8dIXsS9sZA
Paywall bypass: https://archive.is/yIkXA
Excellent! Thank you!
Block java on the page :p
Dad you’re on the internet again, you know you’re not supposed to be on the internet, because you say dumb things and then people laugh at you.
You missed the part where that site is using client side code to run a ddos attack against whomever.
that’s a different thread
I was about to tell you that archive is doing that but then I realized that you are talking about paywall circumvention.
I mean this thread didn’t mention archive.today, it’s another reply to the top comment that did
I don’t know any CEOs, but I’ve known many business owners in my life and I’ve been one. The majority absolutely despise payroll as their biggest expense. They hate their employees, which will be replaced as soon as technologically and financially possible.
This is why there is a huge push for AI, every one of these greedy bastards would be perfectly fine with replacing every single employee. They see it as an improvement.
We as a society in the USA have gotten businesses backwards and put the cart before the horse, in my opinion. Our goal shouldn’t be “shareholders will get the cream of the crop!”, that road simply leads to a small group of people being fabulously wealthy, they see their employees as a middle man that they would rather eliminate.
We can change how corporations work at any time, but we’ll need to get rid of our government first. They won’t legislate themselves out of generational wealth, it’s a fantasy to think otherwise. Never, ever in the history of Earth has the ruling class decided “hmmm I’m starting to feel guilty about rolling around in a pool full of gold Krugerands maybe this is a little much”
Never, ever in the history of Earth has the ruling class decided “hmmm I’m starting to feel guilty about rolling around in a pool full of gold Krugerands maybe this is a little much”
Yeah, reformers have never existed.
Note I said “ruling class” as a whole. Of course there are reformers, madmen, vegetarians, philosophers, and so on sprinkled throughout.
that goes without saying, friend. But, feel free to continue to point out the obvious that everyone knows. It’s fun and not droll at all, I dub thee “captain no fucking shit”
Now, please point out what my goal post was, and how it has been changed IN ANY WAY by your contribution. Go into great detail!
It’s fun and not droll at all, I dub thee “captain no fucking shit”
I want a certificate
It’s in the mail, with your high school diploma
Reformers don’t feel guilty. They’re trying to stave off the inevitable guillotines.
reformers are the exception, they don’t represent the class
Oh well yeah, obviously. Those goalposts are obviously not the target now that they got moved all the way over there, you must be right. /s
100% accurate. I ran a family owned grocery and the owners never shut up about payroll. As soon as I started managing a department it was “you’re overstaffed” every flipping week. I explained my plan to use the extra hours to have the employees trained on how to make more prepared food instead of buying the premade junk. They complained and complained until the end of the second month when my numbers for prepared food in that single month grossed enough to pay for the extra staff need for over half the year.
They still complained I was overstaffed.
No one is dumber than a rich person, except perhaps the people who are actively being screwed by them and who still believe that having money means the rich person must have earned it.
Thanks for articulating it this way for me. It’s the hypocrisy that gets me, at least in my situation. I reported my boss to the directors. He was (still is) planning to cut a guy from our team, claiming he costs too much. But when I did the math, I found that my boss’ personal expenses on food, gas, phone, vehicle, etc. (with increasingly unaccounted-for amounts) are more than that guy’s pay.
My boss isn’t worried about the financial health of the organization, he’s worried he won’t be able to keep spending it on himself if he has to pay the workers.
I’ve seen “the director” lay off employees on a whim whilst buying a new end table for 30,000 USD. Not a typo, I cut the check.
They’ll take all they can, shareholders will let it go as long as the returns are good. In my opinion, a national minimum wage is stupid, but instead workers should be owners.
The profits shouldn’t all go to a table full of vultures.
If many had their way,they would be perfectly fine with slavery
At my first job, I was told I couldn’t be paid more despite the fact that I was getting the same pay as someone in my position was about 20 years prior. The boss? Massive house in the richest neighbourhood with two elephant statues out front that cost $50k each. He spent his days falling asleep in meetings and generally doing less than nothing. All the department heads were disgustingly rich, everyone else could get fucked.
It’s worth pointing out that the company and CEO in question are South Korean.
It’s a global issue that should be tackled, but American flavour capitalsm is definitely spreading through the world.
American flavour capitalsm is definitely spreading through the world.
It already has spread throughout the world. did you sleep through the post ww2 events?
No, but it’s not quite the same as it was in the 1950’s.
Capitalism now, especially outside the US looks very different.
The union the other day told me that our laws didn’t really account for the kinds of layoffs that America brought here.
Our capitalism is just British empire capitalism rebranded.
Fuck krafton
Fuck Krafton.
Watching a CEO get fucked by using AI is orgasmic.
LLMs are fly honey for stupid people.
The CEO will be fine at the end of the day.
The workers are going to get fucked, though.
At the moment this is a win for the workers. They should get their full share of the payout, now. The main danger is now their parent company may be hostile to them (or even try to close them) until the parent company CEO gets replaced.
until the parent company CEO gets replaced.
One would hope pulling such a boneheaded move ought to make that happen rather quickly.
Of course, if this CEO has been there for more than a year or 2, he would probably get a golden parachute for more than the value of his fuckup…
Yep as soon as the game is launched, LAYOFFS!!!
Sharing profits with the people who actually did the work is anti-capitalist.
Yeah. These illegal firings happened around 9 months ago. I doubt these guys had the funds to just sit on the sidelines, doing nothing, hoping that the court would rule in their favour. Even if they’re offered their jobs back, it could be that by now they’ve made other commitments.
Even if they’re offered their jobs back, it could be that by now they’ve made other commitments.
Or just don’t want to contribute to an organization that tried to fuck them over in the past. I’d be much more inclined to get a payout and move on with my life. What’s the point of returning to a job and making more money for the people who just tried to get rid of you to save a buck?
With many businesses I’m sure that’s true. But, it might be different when you’re making something artistic. Subnautica has a lot of passionate fans, and it’s a unique kind of game. These guys might really want to finish this game that they poured a lot of themselves into. Maybe not, maybe they just want to move on. But, I think a lot of people who work on games really care about what it is they’re doing.
oh god, sounds like Krafton were already assholes. I bet the put the other 250 in and sell it in pieces.
I looked up a similar article without a paywall:
“Krafton recently declared itself to be an “AI-first company,” which led Unknown Worlds to issue a statement indicating that Subnautica 2 will not feature generative AI.”
The “AI first” shit is pure gold. I love the instant karma. Why are these CEOs throwing their money, reputation, etc. away on AI? Either they are even stupider than I thought, or the tech bros have some kind of massive blackmail machine they’re using to take over everything and puppet all the CEOs.
The “AI first” shit is pure gold
It’s a pitch to investors. There’s dumb money being flung left and right like chimpanzee poop in the zoo
Same thing happened with blockchain to a lesser extent. I remember my old company forcing us to put blockchain in something, anything, so they could add it to the sales pitches.
Execs in this sort of company are narrative first, facts a distant second. LLMs speak their language, something agreeable that sounds right whether it is or not.
BTW, investors are largely in the same boat, they are investing with having no realistic way to know whether the nice things being said are backed by reality up front. They only know if/when it goes down in a blaze.
Further in gaming, maybe they tank some headliner properties with bad reviews if the mess them up, but it’s possible that most of the ‘sold’ games barely even get played, thanks to Steam hoarding. A lot of businesses can coast on past glory for years and years before things blow up, if at all.
Yes, this is the reason it’s so popular with them. While the baseline ass-kissing of chatGPT makes me vomit, they think it’s the greatest invention in the world and don’t understand how somebody doesn’t love it
Yeah, I don’t get why people like the default tone of those LLMs, they are so grating on me. When I get slop emailed that so greatly amused the person who prompted it, I can’t believe they are eager to share rather than repulsed at how cringey it was.
The LLM will do whatever they tell it to, including making shit up in order to suit the narrative. They’re the ultimate “yes-man” that’s not even human.
Unfortunately for CEO’s, it turns out that yes-men - or yes-machines - aren’t particularly good developers or legal strategists
It’s because in order to become a ceo, you have to be a very specific type of person, and the role also attracts this trait of putting money above all else, which fits perfectly to the role.
Imagine if you invested in a company that helmed a ceo that didn’t try to make more money. Right? You’d be upset as the investor-role that your money wasn’t working for you, and would take the guy out.
This is the common, public opinion.
So the same goes for the CEO: that maximum money be made by being different and taking good chances and staying on top of the technology curve. And OpenAI has been, at least what they, themselves, purport, overwhelmingly successful.
This is all to say that the role of CEO draws a ton of people who think a lot of themselves and their abilities, because they think fake it until you make it is the role, because it largely is: you have to make bets on decisions to lead like that. Which makes CEOs this sort of hollow, fake-person sort of capitalist sociopath.
And them betting on AI-first, then, makes a ton of sense if you’re that specific type of person. Because, unless you have your own skills and opinions, you will be beholden to the dumbest, fakest, skewed statistical other bullshitters in the world.
Right now, the companies making all these mistakes that all of us with actual skills and opinions can clearly see, those are just the companies that don’t matter, that are leeching off the backs of real industries. Like a group of kids all cheating off each other in a test, and suddenly a bunch of them get the same wrong answer.
They’re literally the people, and boards of people who put them there, who have no fucking idea what they’re doing, and in my personal opinion, are very clearly illustrating a weak point with society and humanity and our values and structures across the world. We’ll get past this one, for sure. But there will be more. That is the both the curse and the gift of existence.
They’re simply stupider than you thought. They buy into hype so fast without really listening to the experts already on the team.
Ehhh 404 still has a bit more to say on
Either they are even stupider than I thought, or the tech bros have some kind of massive blackmail machine they’re using to take over everything and puppet all the CEOs.
I think it’s a little of each.
The ones not being blackmailed are desperately trying to look like they’re impactful enough to blackmail.
I know the type. They list themselves exclusively on job search sites for high earners like “Ladders”, they don’t listen to their employees ever because they’re a subhuman resource, they are first in line at every ceremony or circle jerk meeting, but nowhere to be found when actual work needs done, they spent the last few years bringing up how badly they want to go back to the office full time, and they unironically speak in corporatese even on Christmas. They like sports teams because they’re popular and a good segway, not because they care about the team, they view it as their duty to keep the ranks broken down and working hard in fear of their jobs.
This is the kind of successful entrepreneur we’re supposed to be looking up to, people.
Exactly, the fact this dude at Krafton can sign 250 million dollars deals but is also dumb enough to think a ChatGPT lawyer knows better than his own lawyers… It goes to show that many powerful people were just lucky or inherited their wealth but are definitely not successful because they are smart.
Yep. And I’d go further. Class mobility in the West is dead. No matter how smart and skilled and competent you are, you will never be one of the ultra-rich - and no matter how ignorant and incompetent one of the ultra-rich is, they’ll never lose enough money to become “merely” well off. The entire broken system, one that’s designed to funnel money from the working class to a handful of ultra-rich families, will keep making the rich richer no matter what they do.
We have a billionaire caste, not a billionaire class, and this story makes it painfully obvious.
Throughout pretty much all of human history it’s been apparent that the “nobles” class has been, at best, more trouble than they’re worth; and at worst, the instigating spark that creates a nation-destroying blaze.
It should come as no surprise to anyone who has read a history book that the American nobleman is equally as useless and destructive as his counterpart anywhere else.
While undoubtedly true, this story is about a South Korean CEO of a South Korean company.
Sure. This comment thread is about class mobility in the West though.
But, fact is, it seems it’s the same everywhere.
You just further proved his point
This is why the LLMs are so popular with execs, they are the ultimate yes men. They will feed ego and purport to give a strategy that will support any dumbass idea without challenging them.
That’s half of it. The other half is that these execs think that everybody under them is some kind of replaceable cog in the machine with no special skills. They don’t think their job could be replaced by AI. But, they think everyone under them is so unimportant that their job can be done by AI. They’re managers. They don’t know how to do the work of the people they’re managing. They can’t tell the difference between an accurate result given to them by someone with knowledge and expertise vs. one created by a slop machine that generates plausibly realistic text.
If their $1000/hour lawyers tell them one thing, but the bullshit machine tells them something different, they trust whichever one gives them the answer they prefer.
definitely not successful because they are smart.
I mean, “smart” is a relative term. They were smart enough to find the money hose and latch onto it. But the skills necessary to schmooze $250M out of a creditor are fundamentally different than the skills necessary to manage a workforce or meet the terms of the contract.
You can call it the Peter Principle or the Principle-Agent Problem or any number of other business short-hands for “skills mismatch”. The bottom line is that “meritocracy” in a capitalist system boils down to rent-seeking effectiveness. That’s the skill set that is rewarded. And it produces legions of people who train and compete for the opportunity to maximize rent-seeking returns.
This guy fumbled the ball in a spectacular fashion. But I have no doubt he’ll get back on his horse and find another pool of labor to extract wealth from. Because, if he’s a CEO, he’s honed the skills needed to do exactly that.
What we get to mock him for is his failure, not his decision. If he’d retrieved a useful answer from the ChatGPT answer lottery, or the courts had been stacked with his friends such that any answer he pulled was considered the right one, he’d be hailed as a business genius on the front page of the WSJ rather than scoffed at in the back pages of 404media.
Exactly “being smart” and “acting smart” are two different things. Usain Bolt is the “fastest” man on Earth, but if he’s just chilling on the couch watching TV, I can run right past him.
Same with these ivy league CEOs, they probably (not necessarily) were smart when taking their tests in school, but if they just leave the fate of their company to chatgpt responses, they’re acting as dumb as possible at the current moment.
You have no idea how ceos work do you…
Share your insights! Or be quiet, contributing “nah” is just lazy.
what’s the point, why bother?
Capitalist Mysticism at its finest.
Thomas Piketty agrees with you in Capital
Luck is a factor, but the differentiator is that they have the. Isplaced confidence and drive to just do what they want first. Then the luck let’s them get away with it. It’s kind of like if you get a million people to flip a coin 50 times. Some of them will get all 50 to be heads. So with billions of people in the world. Some have this drive to be on top, misplaced confidence, luck, and situational oportunities (also a good part luck) to end up able to sign 250 million dollar contract. None of that actually requires they have a clue. Sometimes they do, but it isn’t required.
And no one remembers the failures, except maybe their family with that wacky Uncle that had some crazy get rich quick scheme. In some other timeline, some kids think of their crazy uncle Mark Zuckerberg who dropped out of college because he thought he could do better than MySpace, and now he bounces around chasing various hustles that keep failing.
if you get a million people to flip a coin 50 times. Some of them will get all 50 to be heads.
Flipping a coin 50 times has 1.1 quadrillion possible outcomes, only 2 of which are all heads or all tails. I think you’d need more than a few billion to reliably see those results.
I think though, you get the point.
Now here is a bonus question for you. If I give you a coin and ask you to flip it 20 times, and they all come up heads. What are the odds that if you flip it again it will come up heads?
I think it’s higher than a 50% chance of heads, because you have evidence for it being an unfair coin.
Nice that is in fact what I was going to say. I get a lot of people with that joke.
I’m trying to be more Bayesian in life, but it’s a difficult lifestyle change!
yeah that’s over a one in a billion chance to get all heads in just a million tries.
I was against ChatGPT, but now I think it could be useful as a moron honeypot.
Who would have thought that the workers weren’t the real drones?!
Anyone who’s met ceos
