• ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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    3 days ago

    People seem to be confused. This is not Poland blocking EU defense funding. This is Polish president blocking access to EU money for Poland. It’s a internal thing affecting only Poland. There’s more money in the defense fund and other countries will access it without issues. The 40B was assigned to Poland which was supposed to be the biggest recipient but because of this veto they will most probably receive less. And it’s not a gift. EU is borrowing money and lending it to individual countries on preferential terms.

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      As usual. People have forgotten how much of a pain in the butt Poland can be to deal with for the EU when PiS has a say. This is a first reminder of many and it‘s important to note that poles voted for this.

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      He’s a боль in the ass.

      From a stateist perspective with the broadly know state of the Polish army rejecting any source of finance for it is borderline treason. And his sode basically claims the problem is that we have to necesarly buy american equipment. Which they did when in goverment underminding long term programs and getting less for more, so now we have unarmed helicopters and tanks we cant roll through half of the local land features.

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        and tanks we cant roll through half of the local land features.

        The German and American tanks? Wasn’t it a conscious decision to have stronger tanks where possible?

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          This is about Abrams spefically. A lot of oir infrastructure is not adjusted to their size and weight, and they might not be the best option for the local marches, swamps and thick forrests which is all of Polands east (plus some mountines to the south). Its a tank for open plains.

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            My interpretation was that they are an insurance against another German attack. It sounds a bit unreasonable but I think it allows them to focus on the east.

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          4 days ago

          Even if it’s a rhetorical question; in this case the official line is about trusted partnership, and problems with strategic dependence on neighbors with problematic history. Dog whistle being “Trump right wing good, Brussels green-gays bad”, and that gets political points, gotta oppose whatever the other party supports. In reality pretty sure it’s easier to be corrupt in dealings with Trump than with EU (when not well established with EU elites). Or just being Russian pawns and using all this to subvert defensive capabilities and alliances. We got well established precedences in our own history.

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      4 days ago

      I dont think this delays anything outside of Poland. Also;

      Tusk previously vowed that in the event of a presidential veto, he would implement a “Plan B” to make use of the European funds regardless of the president. On Thursday, he called an extraordinary cabinet meeting on Friday at 9:00 am (0800 GMT) in response to the veto.

  • verdi@tarte.nuage-libre.fr
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    4 days ago

    Cut the money tap, Poland gets “gifted” ~4% net of its annual budget every year since accession. That sounds like the dependency that this POSPiS gentleman so fears.

    • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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      3 days ago

      What? This is Poland making it more difficult for Poland to access preferential loans for defense from EU. This in any way affect EU or any other country. It can actually mean more money for other countries. Why would EU cut their funding over this?